Now we were talking about 'Sat-Chit-Anand'. Again I have to use Sanskrit words. 'Sat-Chit-Anand' is the 'Super Consciousness', the all pervading power. 'Chit' is the attention, the 'Consciousness'. You are just now conscious and listening to me. Every minute, you are conscious. But every moment is becoming dead into the past. Every moment is coming from the future to the present. But you are conscious at this moment and are listening to me. A thought rises and falls. You can see the rising of the thought, but not the falling of the thought. In between these thoughts, there is a space called 'Vilamb'. If you can stop for a while, you get to the Conscious Mind and there exists the 'Sat-Chit-Anand'. You can say 'Sat-Chit-Anand' is the condition of the mind or the state of mind, where there is no thought, but you are aware 'Nirvichara'. This is the first stage, where you jump into; into the 'Super Consciousness'.
Some people may think, that by realization you must achieve something as Adi Shankaracharya did, but it is not possible. With some it may be, but with everyone it is not possible. Your first stage is Nirvichara. You become thoughtlessly aware. That happens when the Kundalini rises above the Agnya Chakra meaning enters into the lymbic area, when your attention just touches 'Sat' point. The reality separates from 'Mithya'. You become two personalities. At that state you start separating, like putting lime in the milk when it starts separating into curd and water. In the same way the beginning of reality starts. This is the state when you can say that the Kundalini has awakened only. We must understand the different stages, as it happens.
I am giving you a very detailed picture but normally the Kundalini shoots off to 'Sahasrara' in most of the people. In some people it does not. It takes time. It is either lost into the Swadhishthana or the Nabhi. It does not go much higher. It is arrested by 'Anahata Chakra' or it may not even rise at all. But in case it crosses this 'door' of Agnya Chakra, then you get into the state of 'thoughtless awareness'. With this thoughtless awareness, you get certain powers. Supposing for example, you become the Governor, you get certain powers of the Governor. Similarly you attain certain powers.
But at this stage to leave the Kundalini is not proper, because the Kundalini can start moving to this side or that side and can thus go to the supra conscious or to the collective sub-conscious. The 'Siddhis' are mostly available at this stage. Not minor Siddhis but higher Siddhis, e.g., if the Kundalini moves to supraconscious one gets the Siddhi of predicting the future. If the Kundalini has moved to the Collective Subconscious, they can start seeing things in the past. A person like that, when he comes to me, can see who I was in my previous life. I do not have to convince him. This is the same thing as anybody who is possessed. A person who takes to drugs and is an alcoholic to the last word, but is a good soul and is still seeking God, such a person can see me, in a different form. He can see my past, he can be very much enamoured by me. He would know who I was. People think that the past is greater than the present, always, because the past has been much greater than today, though I have never given realisation to anyone previously. He, therefore, gets enamoured when he sees things like that. This happens to people who are on the Supra conscious level if they move out on the left hand side i.e., into the past.
Those who move out on the right hand side can see me as light. They see all the five elements, they see me as a waterfall or as an iceberg. They start seeing the 'Tanmatra' namely the casual essence of the elements. It may help them to get convinced, because such a person gets convinced about me and such a person is much more convinced than you are. There are good many Tantrikas who know who I was. They are afraid of me and they talk about me. There was an ordinary maid servant who came to my programme and she got into a trance and started speaking Sanskrit and she described me completely in fifteen 'Shlokas'. She said this first time although I had never said anything about myself. This is how it started.
So at this stage, I would not like to leave your Kundalini, because you can cure people and curative can be done with your Kundalini even when it is in the limbic area. I am very anxious always that it should come out of the Brahmarandra. At that stage you start getting the vibrations; but at this stage you are just a 'Chitta' only and you just touch the 'Sat' point. Your attention is only charmed by the Spirit. Only the attention part as I told you is like a flicker or light in a Gas lamp, and Kundalini is like a gas which touches the spirit and the light of the spirit spreads in the central nervous system. 'Chit' part, the outer core the 'Chitta' means the attention part. At that stage the Kundalini opens the Brahmarandra when you feel the vibrations from your hand and you can feel another person's also; because you become 'collectively conscious'. Collectively conscious again out of Sat-Chit-Anand that you just touch the 'Chita' part. Thus you start feeling the Chit of your Chitta becoming the 'Chitta' of the collective consciousness means that you drop into the ocean of Sat-Chit-Anand in which you only feel the collective consciousness. That means you can feel another person's Kundalini.
Yesterday there was another gentleman, as you have seen it, who was arguing with me that we have suspended intelligence but all that I said was: "What is the suspended intelligence? I do not know about this thing". So I told him this. He said that, "I am in a Turiya Dasha". I said: "If you are in 'Turiya' you can feel the Kundalini of another person and you cannot certify yourself like that but can you feel the Kundalini of another person?". But he said 'no'. Then I asked him "how can you be in Turiya?" If you go in Turiya, i.e., if you cross this stage, then you have to feel the Kundalini of another person. Now you have seen there are many people who can feel the Kundalini and they all say the same thing. They talk the same language, whether they do so in English, Indian or any other language. They say the same thing i.e., this chakra is catching or that chakra is catching. This is because you start seeing your own Kundalini thereby seeing the Kundalini of others, because through the fingers you can feel what is happening. You just feel the Chita and not the Anand part of it. First stage is through Chitta that you feel the Kundalini of another person thereby you can raise the Kundalini of another person. After a while, you can give realisation also to another person with the assistance of my photograph.
But the Anand stage is not yet reached. In the beginning you just feel the cold breeze in your hand. You feel peace and tranquility and also there is no thought. You feel the 'thoughtless awareness' but the Anand part is not yet felt at this first stage. Because now I have studied thousands of human beings and their problems, I know; this is the fact. But there are some, who have reached the last stage, though they are very very few. Thus at the first stage when you come, is the 'Chit' stage, the consciousness stage. You touch the 'Sat' which means you start seeing the reality, is one thing you feel is flowing. At this time you start saying it is coming or it is going. Just now you said, it is coming. You didn't say that 'I' am receiving, I am giving. That 'I' goes out of your language. But still the Ego and the SuperEgo are not completely gone down. They are still there, but your attention has come up and you feel the 'Chitta'.
With this 'Collective Consciousness' you can cure people, you can give them Realisation as I have told you and also you can feel the Kundalini of any person in the whole world; and cure the Chakras of that person. You can tell the condition of another person far away by sitting down here. Wherever your attention goes it works thereby your attention becomes Universal. A drop of your attention becomes one with the ocean of the of 'Sat-Chit-Anand'.
Listen, to me carefully because many people at this stage drop out and only the attention becomes effective. I will inform you about a disciple of mine, who has come here from England. One day he was sitting and thinking about his father. Suddenly he got a burning on his index finger. Hence he rang up his father. His mother told him that his condition was not good. He was suffering from a bad throat. This boy did something to his finger and his father got well. Now he might think that he is powerful and all that but he is not. He cannot think in this manner because his Sahasrara has opened up. He just said, "Mother, I felt it and I did like this, and my father became all right'. He never says I did it. 'I' goes out. You never say 'I' did it but you will say, "Mother today my Agnya is catching", "Mother my heart is catching".
They come and speak like this about themselves. Agnya is catching means you will be going mad. But one does not feel bad about it since he is not attached to it. He is attached to his Atma. So he says, as an Atma this Chakra is caught or that Chakra is caught. A person who is suffering from cancer, does not know it. But to a realised person his attention will tell him that so and so Chakras are out of gear, and so many Chakras out of gear means cancer. He need not go to the doctor but he can diagnose it himself. He will not diagnose himself as the doctors do; saying you have the cancer of the heart, the cancer of throat etc., but he will say that it is the Chakras that arecaught up, either the left or the right side.
Now from where the vibrations are coming how far it is going and can give the depth such Chakras. There are many abstract important happenings taking place. (Checked with Nirmala Yoga)
Once you get the realisation, the 'Chiranjivas' surrender to you. They are watching you. You are their responsibility. All the 'Deities' are awakened in you. If you do anything against the 'Deities' immediately they will harm you. A person who has got Realisation, goes to a place which is not to be seen or which is not to be felt or which is not a good place, or to a fake Guru; immediately he will feel heated up. If he does not run away, and if he still goes on and on he will lose his vibrations and he will become like another ordinary person.
Initially it is in a very transitory stage. Still, I would say at this point that the repulsion is not so very great that the man does not accept it. Because, if you accept it, you become completely realised. If you do not accept it, then there might be a little bodily problem that you might have. You might harm your own fingers, or you might get little burning sensation here or there. But if you are not afraid of these bodily sensations and if you ignore them, then you start rising higher and higher and I have already informed you that all the 'Chiranjivas' start guiding you and looking after you.
If there is one realised person in the train, there cannot be an accident and if there is an accident, nobody will die in that train. If a realised soul is walking on the road, and if he sees a mishap, his attention goes there immediately and the mishap is averted. His attention is being blessed. All this, a scientist cannot understand.
Somebody just now asked me, "if he is guided by internal God, then he cannot do anything by himself". It is not so! The internal Gods are his own part and parcel. You can say that I am guided by my brain hence I cannot do anything else. You can see, the Gods are in your internal parts, by yourself. What is this self left with then? When you are united with this Self, you become a hollow personality, then you do not have this feeling of the self. All the time you will say: "It is going, it is happening, it is flowing". You start looking at yourself as a third person. You do not identify your self with yourself. It happens. You can see these people how they are working.
There is also a part of little enjoyment, the 'Joy' or 'Anand'. Normally you will find that most of the 'Sahaja yogis' will gather around a person who is realised and is not a difficult person. Moreover, if there is somebody who comes at my feet, who is a very great soul, then the Sahaja yogis, enjoy it all the more. Once we were at Calcutta staying in a hotel. There was a very nice man who came to see me. He was not a realised person but a very saintly person with a great Purva Sampada. He just touched my feet. The other Sahaja Yogis were in the other rooms. They all rushed in. I said: "Why did you come?" They said: "A great joy started coming within them so they came". He was all the time on my feet and they were standing there. I said: "Neither he is going to leave me nor are you going to leave me". For fifteen minutes he was enjoying the Nectar of my feet and they were enjoying, his nectar and the fragrance of it. So the 'Joy' of enjoying another human being, joy also starts.
These are the feelings this is how you enjoy 'Nirvichar' or Samadhi' Samadhi does not mean going into unconsciousness but the unconscious becomes conscious. The universal unconscious becomes conscious. So this is the first stage. There are many things like this and a variety of things happen. Supposing you were doing a lot of 'Jyoti Pooja' in your previous life, then you can see my vibrations coming and going. Supposing you have been doing Devi Pooja, then you can do something of 'Devi Praman'. You can see that also. If you see like that before realisation, it means you are a possessed person. Somebody is giving you ideas. After realisation you start seeing certain things, then it has some meaning. So the gradual growth of the flower starts manifesting.
In the second stage, you become 'Nirvikalpa' - where there is no 'Vikalpa'. Just now in Delhi there are very few Sahaja Yogis like that. First of all, by temperament they are Vikalpi. The reason is a complete atmosphere of Vikalpa. If you say something, another will pull you down by saying something else. So the thing is that the whole atmosphere is so Vikalpi that you are not yet settled down in Sahaja Yoga. But, we have also got very great 'Sahaja Yogis' in Delhi as well. Now you will ask, how do you become Nirvikalpa? Supposing you are in the water, you are afraid of being drowned; therefore, you are picked up and put in the boat, then you are no longer afraid of being drowned. Now you can settle down firmly.
You have to be firmly settled and with that you get certain powers - your Kundalini starts moving. We have in Bombay certain people whose Kundalini rises at least one foot high. They are very developed people. At the 'Nirvikalpa' state, the collective consciousness becomes subtler and subtler. At that stage you can understand the very deep significance of things when the reality starts becoming clearer. For example, you start understanding the working of the Kundalini. You start understanding how it penetrates. You can understand how it works out. You can use it for experimentation with your own hand and you can move it as you please. You can cure people and you can show the Kundalini's working in different ways. You can combine in permutations and combinations of the Kundalini. You can say that in the first year of music, you just learn seven notes and two other notes and ordinary ragas. But when you grow subtler and higher, then you know all the minute points of how to create music.
At the Nirvikalpa state you need not put your hand towards the person. By sitting down you know where it is, what is happening where he is catching, what is the problem. What is the 'Collective Problems'? You have no doubts about Sahaja yoga, nor about Kundalini nor about anything else. There are no doubts at all. At that time you start experimenting about it and you start using it. Mastery of Kundalini starts. At that stage the 'Chitta' the consciousness becomes subtle. Somebody was sitting with Me and outside the Sahaja yogis knew that this gentleman is going to get realization and they knew that Mother is giving the realisation. Such Sahaja Yogis are extremely pleased at such time and they do not grudge or grumble about small matters. They are carefree and live in a big way. They are not touchy. Their attention is in the subtle. They have no time for outside gross matters - so their attention is always deep into the subtle part. They are not bothered. Such people are the satisfied souls. Such people are the ones, who are going to create the pillar for Sahaja Yoga. Because, when somebody sees such a person, a transformed person like that, they get shocked. "Just look at this man. He is such a great person. He was a very horrid man earlier and how he has changed like this. See how is he transformed." At this stage, at the Nirvikalpa stage, the vibrations emit, then there is no questioning at all.
But such a man gets into a terrible temper if he sees somebody is misbehaving with me and cannot bear it. Christ has said: "Forgive all those, for they know not what they are doing." But supposing they had done any thing against his Mother, he would not have forgiven in the least. In the Bible it is written; "Nothing will be tolerated against the Holy Ghost". And the Holy Ghost was his Mother, which is Adishakti. Hence you cannot tolerate anything against your Mother or Sahaja yoga and one can get into a tremendous temper or a "Sanharshakti" which they develop. It is said that such a man if anybody tries to do some harm he will immediately bring him down through their devotion towards their Mother.
We have a notion that a realised person should never lose his temper. It is a very wrong idea. Then you will say: "Why Krishna killed Jarasandha, why did he kill Kamsa?" How do you explain the violence of Krishna? How do you explain Devi who killed demons when She came and got into Her Temper? She used to get into tremendous temper and then she used to kill. The temper of Shiva! How do you explain this? It is a foolish idea to say that they should not get into the temper even if someone tries to kill them. Even Christ had to take the whip in his hand and drive them away. You have a right to get into a temper, if you are in a Nirvikalpa state since you are given that right of even raising one's own voice when need arises. I am using all the Ayudhas, if you have noticed in my hand, the Chakra, the Parasha etc. They are there and I have to use them and you cannot stop me from using them. This is what I say that by reading, people don't understand things. A man who is quietly sitting and is being pestered by everybody is called a realised person - what nonsense! How dare you spite at such a man? Is the spite of a Devi to be borne by a realised soul? To say that a realised soul should not get into a temper is a wrong thing.
Now all those Rishis I have talked about and all those people who have talked about me and whose names I have given you, they are all above Nirvikalpa, but they are very hot tempered. These saints cannot tolerate hypocrisy but I can and I have to. No 'Rakshas' can go near them but if anybody goes they are put into a noose and are hanged on the tree. That's why I say never go near the 'Babaji'. They are higher people, no doubt, better than you all are and they know me very well and they fall at my feet. They are very innocent and simple like children to me. More important is Shri Ganesha. If he gets angry it is not so easy to control him. It is easier to control Shri Shiva's but not Ganesh's anger. Beware of him. That is why during Kundalini Awakening, you get burning sensation and you start dancing or jumping, all this is Ganesha's anger. If you have insulted him by any chance, or insulted his Mother, He gets into a tremendous fury.
It is true that after Nirvikalpa, the Ganesha becomes really Jagrut. Such a person is not tempted by any women. No temptation for another women will exist, except for his own wife, where he goes on living like a celebrated husband, because husband and wife are united in a bond of matrimony. Otherwise, he is a sanctified householder. He does not have temptation for any alcohol or anything like smoking and is beyond temptation. A Nirvikalpa man cannot have any temptation. One man came to me and told me that he was a realised Soul. I said: "How can it be? If you are a realised Soul, how are you taking to these things? You cannot".
Now for me, I will tell you it is an impossibility. I have never taken anything. Once my doctor gave me a little brandy as a medicine. I don't know why but he felt like giving it to me without informing me, due to which I vomited so much of blood since my stomach is religious or sacred. If I see a woman who has dressed provocatively or something like that or sometimes I have to accompany my husband to parties and they start a cabaret or some such thing. Immediately, I start getting vomiting, sensation like hell and more so when we are the chief guests. I make their lives miserable, since something happens in my stomach when I see these half-dressed women. Now what can I do with my stomach is the point because the Dharma is born within our stomach.
So the stomach becomes the Dharma itself. At this stage the subtle style of things starts. Your Muladhar becomes chastity itself. It just cannot bear these things. You don't have to tell them. They have just no interest in such women. They do not flirt nor have they any interest in all these things. They do not bother too much to dress up in such a way that they would be very attractive to other women or men and at that time they believe like very simple people. They get to simplicity dignified.
Then suddenly they become very creative also. There is one gentleman in Bombay who got into 'Nirvikalpa' State. He came to me when he was jobless. So I told him: "Why don't you start interior decoration work?" He said that he did not know different types of wood nor could differentiate between one type and another so what could he do? I said: "Now, you are in Nirvikalpa, so start it". Today he is a very rich man .
It just becomes dynamic, because you start seeing the beauty, the 'Saundarya' of the nature. You see, aesthetics are born in a person who is a realised Soul. He starts seeing aesthetics in everything. The beauty of talking improves. The movements of the hands improve and your style also improves. You become a beautiful person, aesthetics come in. You can become suddenly a great poet. We have two people like that who have written beautiful poems and you can also be a great painter if you a already a painter. You get new ideas about painting, new aesthetics. In music, you start understanding absolutely. You may not know what classical music is but you will start understanding the subtle music. From the classical music you will know which is the best for your Atma. You see the Atma starts judging everything on that level. If you appoint such a person to judge a drama or a painting, whether it is good or bad, he will correctly judge it good or bad. Then you put his selection to all the critics of the world and they will say it is the best judgement. Now, you will ask me: "How does he know?" Because he can feel by vibrations and complete harmony in everything.
You give him a statue of a deity and ask him all about this statue whether it is all right or not. He might say that it is not alright. You can feel the subtle vibrations, whether it is in Dharma or otherwise. Now can we say say that Ashtavinayaka's are living Gods. How do you know? Jyotirlingas are living. How will you know? Unless you know the integrations of all the great souls together and how are you going to judge them? That is why you must get Realisation.
This is what my father told me. I should say he was my first Guru, as he was a realised soul. He told me it is of no use talking about realities etc., because you will create another Bible or Gita. You do a practical thing. You find out 'a mass media' and I knew that was my mission. So I worked on everybody's Kundalini and tried to find out permutations, combinations, of their mistakes and why these people are like this. You will be surprised that so many people never knew that they were even in Nirvichara. They did not know that they were highly placed spirits. If they would have known, then they would not have told many things which have conditioned you. They have said, "Sach Bolo". Who is going to speak 'truth' ? They did not know what Human beings are?
They are 'Incarnations', a great people. They did not know much about the Human beings and how cunning they are or how they are all the time against each other. They could not come to the subtle human level. For that one has to have a Human self-realisation, as I now have. As such I know human beings but some things, of course, I do not understand.
When you get into the Nirvikalpa state, the Ananda starts settling in you. When you see cities, any beautiful picture or scene, immediately what you find is a great flow of Ananda coming down. This is the Grace that you are just lost into it; like the Ganges flowing over you, you are completely drowned into it. Your consciousness becomes Anand.
In reality you come to know that till now we have never known there is a 'Sarvavyapi Shakti' but now we are aware of the same. We can feel it coming in our fingers This is the Reality. There is Chaitanya all around us, which thinks, which understands, organises and loves us. All this you come to know the knowledge part of it. Then the Anand which is the Hridaya starts emitting it. Later on what you get is Vilaya into Ananda. At that stage complete Selfrealisation takes place. At that stage you can control the sun, you can control the moon, you can control every element.
Beyond that there is God's Realisation. There are three stages to that also, but just now I have told about this. 'Sat-Chit-Anand' state. The 'God's Realisation' is the stage which, Gautam Buddha and Mahavira only had achieved and settled down in our brain. Christ is also here. These two are not incarnations. They are born as Human beings. They were born to Sita, as Lava and Kusha. Then they were born as Buddha and Mahavira and 'Adishakti' was their Mother once again. Later on they were born to 'Fatimabi' as Hasan and Husain.
They are the two milestones you have got, by which you can know to what height a human being can rise. Now today they are like incarnations. There are other styles of personalities like Chiranjivas, Bhairava, Ganesha. There are all incarnations. Hanumana later on appeared as 'Gabriel the Angel'. 'Bhairavnath' came as Saint Michael. The names are different, but they are the same personalities. Devi has also incarnated. There is no doubt about it. The scientist will not understand this but a Sahaja Yogi can. Because they can immediately feel their vibrations and can ask questions. You can ask questions about me also and you will get the vibrations. For that at least your Deities have to rise and say 'Yes'. You may or you may not get 'Realisation' but the answer you will definitely get. May God bless you.
Now we were talking about 'Sat-Chit-Anand'. Again I have to use Sanskrit words. 'Sat-Chit-Anand' is the 'Super Consciousness', the all pervading power. 'Chit' is the attention, the 'Consciousness'. You are just now conscious and listening to me. Every minute, you are conscious. But every moment is becoming dead into the past. Every moment is coming from the future to the present. But you are conscious at this moment and are listening to me. A thought rises and falls. You can see the rising of the thought, but not the falling of the thought. In between these thoughts, there is a space called 'Vilamb'. If you can stop for a while, you get to the Conscious Mind and there exists the 'Sat-Chit-Anand'. You can say 'Sat-Chit-Anand' is the condition of the mind or the state of mind, where there is no thought, but you are aware 'Nirvichara'. This is the first stage, where you jump into; into the 'Super Consciousness'.
Some people may think, that by realization you must achieve something as Adi Shankaracharya did, but it is not possible. With some it may be, but with everyone it is not possible. Your first stage is Nirvichara. You become thoughtlessly aware. That happens when the Kundalini rises above the Agnya Chakra meaning enters into the lymbic area, when your attention just touches 'Sat' point. The reality separates from 'Mithya'. You become two personalities. At that state you start separating, like putting lime in the milk when it starts separating into curd and water. In the same way the beginning of reality starts. This is the state when you can say that the Kundalini has awakened only. We must understand the different stages, as it happens.
I am giving you a very detailed picture but normally the Kundalini shoots off to 'Sahasrara' in most of the people. In some people it does not. It takes time. It is either lost into the Swadhishthana or the Nabhi. It does not go much higher. It is arrested by 'Anahata Chakra' or it may not even rise at all. But in case it crosses this 'door' of Agnya Chakra, then you get into the state of 'thoughtless awareness'. With this thoughtless awareness, you get certain powers. Supposing for example, you become the Governor, you get certain powers of the Governor. Similarly you attain certain powers.
But at this stage to leave the Kundalini is not proper, because the Kundalini can start moving to this side or that side and can thus go to the supra conscious or to the collective sub-conscious. The 'Siddhis' are mostly available at this stage. Not minor Siddhis but higher Siddhis, e.g., if the Kundalini moves to supraconscious one gets the Siddhi of predicting the future. If the Kundalini has moved to the Collective Subconscious, they can start seeing things in the past. A person like that, when he comes to me, can see who I was in my previous life. I do not have to convince him. This is the same thing as anybody who is possessed. A person who takes to drugs and is an alcoholic to the last word, but is a good soul and is still seeking God, such a person can see me, in a different form. He can see my past, he can be very much enamoured by me. He would know who I was. People think that the past is greater than the present, always, because the past has been much greater than today, though I have never given realisation to anyone previously. He, therefore, gets enamoured when he sees things like that. This happens to people who are on the Supra conscious level if they move out on the left hand side i.e., into the past.
Those who move out on the right hand side can see me as light. They see all the five elements, they see me as a waterfall or as an iceberg. They start seeing the 'Tanmatra' namely the casual essence of the elements. It may help them to get convinced, because such a person gets convinced about me and such a person is much more convinced than you are. There are good many Tantrikas who know who I was. They are afraid of me and they talk about me. There was an ordinary maid servant who came to my programme and she got into a trance and started speaking Sanskrit and she described me completely in fifteen 'Shlokas'. She said this first time although I had never said anything about myself. This is how it started.
So at this stage, I would not like to leave your Kundalini, because you can cure people and curative can be done with your Kundalini even when it is in the limbic area. I am very anxious always that it should come out of the Brahmarandra. At that stage you start getting the vibrations; but at this stage you are just a 'Chitta' only and you just touch the 'Sat' point. Your attention is only charmed by the Spirit. Only the attention part as I told you is like a flicker or light in a Gas lamp, and Kundalini is like a gas which touches the spirit and the light of the spirit spreads in the central nervous system. 'Chit' part, the outer core the 'Chitta' means the attention part. At that stage the Kundalini opens the Brahmarandra when you feel the vibrations from your hand and you can feel another person's also; because you become 'collectively conscious'. Collectively conscious again out of Sat-Chit-Anand that you just touch the 'Chita' part. Thus you start feeling the Chit of your Chitta becoming the 'Chitta' of the collective consciousness means that you drop into the ocean of Sat-Chit-Anand in which you only feel the collective consciousness. That means you can feel another person's Kundalini.
Yesterday there was another gentleman, as you have seen it, who was arguing with me that we have suspended intelligence but all that I said was: "What is the suspended intelligence? I do not know about this thing". So I told him this. He said that, "I am in a Turiya Dasha". I said: "If you are in 'Turiya' you can feel the Kundalini of another person and you cannot certify yourself like that but can you feel the Kundalini of another person?". But he said 'no'. Then I asked him "how can you be in Turiya?" If you go in Turiya, i.e., if you cross this stage, then you have to feel the Kundalini of another person. Now you have seen there are many people who can feel the Kundalini and they all say the same thing. They talk the same language, whether they do so in English, Indian or any other language. They say the same thing i.e., this chakra is catching or that chakra is catching. This is because you start seeing your own Kundalini thereby seeing the Kundalini of others, because through the fingers you can feel what is happening. You just feel the Chita and not the Anand part of it. First stage is through Chitta that you feel the Kundalini of another person thereby you can raise the Kundalini of another person. After a while, you can give realisation also to another person with the assistance of my photograph.
But the Anand stage is not yet reached. In the beginning you just feel the cold breeze in your hand. You feel peace and tranquility and also there is no thought. You feel the 'thoughtless awareness' but the Anand part is not yet felt at this first stage. Because now I have studied thousands of human beings and their problems, I know; this is the fact. But there are some, who have reached the last stage, though they are very very few. Thus at the first stage when you come, is the 'Chit' stage, the consciousness stage. You touch the 'Sat' which means you start seeing the reality, is one thing you feel is flowing. At this time you start saying it is coming or it is going. Just now you said, it is coming. You didn't say that 'I' am receiving, I am giving. That 'I' goes out of your language. But still the Ego and the SuperEgo are not completely gone down. They are still there, but your attention has come up and you feel the 'Chitta'.
With this 'Collective Consciousness' you can cure people, you can give them Realisation as I have told you and also you can feel the Kundalini of any person in the whole world; and cure the Chakras of that person. You can tell the condition of another person far away by sitting down here. Wherever your attention goes it works thereby your attention becomes Universal. A drop of your attention becomes one with the ocean of the of 'Sat-Chit-Anand'.
Listen, to me carefully because many people at this stage drop out and only the attention becomes effective. I will inform you about a disciple of mine, who has come here from England. One day he was sitting and thinking about his father. Suddenly he got a burning on his index finger. Hence he rang up his father. His mother told him that his condition was not good. He was suffering from a bad throat. This boy did something to his finger and his father got well. Now he might think that he is powerful and all that but he is not. He cannot think in this manner because his Sahasrara has opened up. He just said, "Mother, I felt it and I did like this, and my father became all right'. He never says I did it. 'I' goes out. You never say 'I' did it but you will say, "Mother today my Agnya is catching", "Mother my heart is catching".
They come and speak like this about themselves. Agnya is catching means you will be going mad. But one does not feel bad about it since he is not attached to it. He is attached to his Atma. So he says, as an Atma this Chakra is caught or that Chakra is caught. A person who is suffering from cancer, does not know it. But to a realised person his attention will tell him that so and so Chakras are out of gear, and so many Chakras out of gear means cancer. He need not go to the doctor but he can diagnose it himself. He will not diagnose himself as the doctors do; saying you have the cancer of the heart, the cancer of throat etc., but he will say that it is the Chakras that arecaught up, either the left or the right side.
Now from where the vibrations are coming how far it is going and can give the depth such Chakras. There are many abstract important happenings taking place. (Checked with Nirmala Yoga)
Once you get the realisation, the 'Chiranjivas' surrender to you. They are watching you. You are their responsibility. All the 'Deities' are awakened in you. If you do anything against the 'Deities' immediately they will harm you. A person who has got Realisation, goes to a place which is not to be seen or which is not to be felt or which is not a good place, or to a fake Guru; immediately he will feel heated up. If he does not run away, and if he still goes on and on he will lose his vibrations and he will become like another ordinary person.
Initially it is in a very transitory stage. Still, I would say at this point that the repulsion is not so very great that the man does not accept it. Because, if you accept it, you become completely realised. If you do not accept it, then there might be a little bodily problem that you might have. You might harm your own fingers, or you might get little burning sensation here or there. But if you are not afraid of these bodily sensations and if you ignore them, then you start rising higher and higher and I have already informed you that all the 'Chiranjivas' start guiding you and looking after you.
If there is one realised person in the train, there cannot be an accident and if there is an accident, nobody will die in that train. If a realised soul is walking on the road, and if he sees a mishap, his attention goes there immediately and the mishap is averted. His attention is being blessed. All this, a scientist cannot understand.
Somebody just now asked me, "if he is guided by internal God, then he cannot do anything by himself". It is not so! The internal Gods are his own part and parcel. You can say that I am guided by my brain hence I cannot do anything else. You can see, the Gods are in your internal parts, by yourself. What is this self left with then? When you are united with this Self, you become a hollow personality, then you do not have this feeling of the self. All the time you will say: "It is going, it is happening, it is flowing". You start looking at yourself as a third person. You do not identify your self with yourself. It happens. You can see these people how they are working.
There is also a part of little enjoyment, the 'Joy' or 'Anand'. Normally you will find that most of the 'Sahaja yogis' will gather around a person who is realised and is not a difficult person. Moreover, if there is somebody who comes at my feet, who is a very great soul, then the Sahaja yogis, enjoy it all the more. Once we were at Calcutta staying in a hotel. There was a very nice man who came to see me. He was not a realised person but a very saintly person with a great Purva Sampada. He just touched my feet. The other Sahaja Yogis were in the other rooms. They all rushed in. I said: "Why did you come?" They said: "A great joy started coming within them so they came". He was all the time on my feet and they were standing there. I said: "Neither he is going to leave me nor are you going to leave me". For fifteen minutes he was enjoying the Nectar of my feet and they were enjoying, his nectar and the fragrance of it. So the 'Joy' of enjoying another human being, joy also starts.
These are the feelings this is how you enjoy 'Nirvichar' or Samadhi' Samadhi does not mean going into unconsciousness but the unconscious becomes conscious. The universal unconscious becomes conscious. So this is the first stage. There are many things like this and a variety of things happen. Supposing you were doing a lot of 'Jyoti Pooja' in your previous life, then you can see my vibrations coming and going. Supposing you have been doing Devi Pooja, then you can do something of 'Devi Praman'. You can see that also. If you see like that before realisation, it means you are a possessed person. Somebody is giving you ideas. After realisation you start seeing certain things, then it has some meaning. So the gradual growth of the flower starts manifesting.
In the second stage, you become 'Nirvikalpa' - where there is no 'Vikalpa'. Just now in Delhi there are very few Sahaja Yogis like that. First of all, by temperament they are Vikalpi. The reason is a complete atmosphere of Vikalpa. If you say something, another will pull you down by saying something else. So the thing is that the whole atmosphere is so Vikalpi that you are not yet settled down in Sahaja Yoga. But, we have also got very great 'Sahaja Yogis' in Delhi as well. Now you will ask, how do you become Nirvikalpa? Supposing you are in the water, you are afraid of being drowned; therefore, you are picked up and put in the boat, then you are no longer afraid of being drowned. Now you can settle down firmly.
You have to be firmly settled and with that you get certain powers - your Kundalini starts moving. We have in Bombay certain people whose Kundalini rises at least one foot high. They are very developed people. At the 'Nirvikalpa' state, the collective consciousness becomes subtler and subtler. At that stage you can understand the very deep significance of things when the reality starts becoming clearer. For example, you start understanding the working of the Kundalini. You start understanding how it penetrates. You can understand how it works out. You can use it for experimentation with your own hand and you can move it as you please. You can cure people and you can show the Kundalini's working in different ways. You can combine in permutations and combinations of the Kundalini. You can say that in the first year of music, you just learn seven notes and two other notes and ordinary ragas. But when you grow subtler and higher, then you know all the minute points of how to create music.
At the Nirvikalpa state you need not put your hand towards the person. By sitting down you know where it is, what is happening where he is catching, what is the problem. What is the 'Collective Problems'? You have no doubts about Sahaja yoga, nor about Kundalini nor about anything else. There are no doubts at all. At that time you start experimenting about it and you start using it. Mastery of Kundalini starts. At that stage the 'Chitta' the consciousness becomes subtle. Somebody was sitting with Me and outside the Sahaja yogis knew that this gentleman is going to get realization and they knew that Mother is giving the realisation. Such Sahaja Yogis are extremely pleased at such time and they do not grudge or grumble about small matters. They are carefree and live in a big way. They are not touchy. Their attention is in the subtle. They have no time for outside gross matters - so their attention is always deep into the subtle part. They are not bothered. Such people are the satisfied souls. Such people are the ones, who are going to create the pillar for Sahaja Yoga. Because, when somebody sees such a person, a transformed person like that, they get shocked. "Just look at this man. He is such a great person. He was a very horrid man earlier and how he has changed like this. See how is he transformed." At this stage, at the Nirvikalpa stage, the vibrations emit, then there is no questioning at all.
But such a man gets into a terrible temper if he sees somebody is misbehaving with me and cannot bear it. Christ has said: "Forgive all those, for they know not what they are doing." But supposing they had done any thing against his Mother, he would not have forgiven in the least. In the Bible it is written; "Nothing will be tolerated against the Holy Ghost". And the Holy Ghost was his Mother, which is Adishakti. Hence you cannot tolerate anything against your Mother or Sahaja yoga and one can get into a tremendous temper or a "Sanharshakti" which they develop. It is said that such a man if anybody tries to do some harm he will immediately bring him down through their devotion towards their Mother.
We have a notion that a realised person should never lose his temper. It is a very wrong idea. Then you will say: "Why Krishna killed Jarasandha, why did he kill Kamsa?" How do you explain the violence of Krishna? How do you explain Devi who killed demons when She came and got into Her Temper? She used to get into tremendous temper and then she used to kill. The temper of Shiva! How do you explain this? It is a foolish idea to say that they should not get into the temper even if someone tries to kill them. Even Christ had to take the whip in his hand and drive them away. You have a right to get into a temper, if you are in a Nirvikalpa state since you are given that right of even raising one's own voice when need arises. I am using all the Ayudhas, if you have noticed in my hand, the Chakra, the Parasha etc. They are there and I have to use them and you cannot stop me from using them. This is what I say that by reading, people don't understand things. A man who is quietly sitting and is being pestered by everybody is called a realised person - what nonsense! How dare you spite at such a man? Is the spite of a Devi to be borne by a realised soul? To say that a realised soul should not get into a temper is a wrong thing.
Now all those Rishis I have talked about and all those people who have talked about me and whose names I have given you, they are all above Nirvikalpa, but they are very hot tempered. These saints cannot tolerate hypocrisy but I can and I have to. No 'Rakshas' can go near them but if anybody goes they are put into a noose and are hanged on the tree. That's why I say never go near the 'Babaji'. They are higher people, no doubt, better than you all are and they know me very well and they fall at my feet. They are very innocent and simple like children to me. More important is Shri Ganesha. If he gets angry it is not so easy to control him. It is easier to control Shri Shiva's but not Ganesh's anger. Beware of him. That is why during Kundalini Awakening, you get burning sensation and you start dancing or jumping, all this is Ganesha's anger. If you have insulted him by any chance, or insulted his Mother, He gets into a tremendous fury.
It is true that after Nirvikalpa, the Ganesha becomes really Jagrut. Such a person is not tempted by any women. No temptation for another women will exist, except for his own wife, where he goes on living like a celebrated husband, because husband and wife are united in a bond of matrimony. Otherwise, he is a sanctified householder. He does not have temptation for any alcohol or anything like smoking and is beyond temptation. A Nirvikalpa man cannot have any temptation. One man came to me and told me that he was a realised Soul. I said: "How can it be? If you are a realised Soul, how are you taking to these things? You cannot".
Now for me, I will tell you it is an impossibility. I have never taken anything. Once my doctor gave me a little brandy as a medicine. I don't know why but he felt like giving it to me without informing me, due to which I vomited so much of blood since my stomach is religious or sacred. If I see a woman who has dressed provocatively or something like that or sometimes I have to accompany my husband to parties and they start a cabaret or some such thing. Immediately, I start getting vomiting, sensation like hell and more so when we are the chief guests. I make their lives miserable, since something happens in my stomach when I see these half-dressed women. Now what can I do with my stomach is the point because the Dharma is born within our stomach.
So the stomach becomes the Dharma itself. At this stage the subtle style of things starts. Your Muladhar becomes chastity itself. It just cannot bear these things. You don't have to tell them. They have just no interest in such women. They do not flirt nor have they any interest in all these things. They do not bother too much to dress up in such a way that they would be very attractive to other women or men and at that time they believe like very simple people. They get to simplicity dignified.
Then suddenly they become very creative also. There is one gentleman in Bombay who got into 'Nirvikalpa' State. He came to me when he was jobless. So I told him: "Why don't you start interior decoration work?" He said that he did not know different types of wood nor could differentiate between one type and another so what could he do? I said: "Now, you are in Nirvikalpa, so start it". Today he is a very rich man .
It just becomes dynamic, because you start seeing the beauty, the 'Saundarya' of the nature. You see, aesthetics are born in a person who is a realised Soul. He starts seeing aesthetics in everything. The beauty of talking improves. The movements of the hands improve and your style also improves. You become a beautiful person, aesthetics come in. You can become suddenly a great poet. We have two people like that who have written beautiful poems and you can also be a great painter if you a already a painter. You get new ideas about painting, new aesthetics. In music, you start understanding absolutely. You may not know what classical music is but you will start understanding the subtle music. From the classical music you will know which is the best for your Atma. You see the Atma starts judging everything on that level. If you appoint such a person to judge a drama or a painting, whether it is good or bad, he will correctly judge it good or bad. Then you put his selection to all the critics of the world and they will say it is the best judgement. Now, you will ask me: "How does he know?" Because he can feel by vibrations and complete harmony in everything.
You give him a statue of a deity and ask him all about this statue whether it is all right or not. He might say that it is not alright. You can feel the subtle vibrations, whether it is in Dharma or otherwise. Now can we say say that Ashtavinayaka's are living Gods. How do you know? Jyotirlingas are living. How will you know? Unless you know the integrations of all the great souls together and how are you going to judge them? That is why you must get Realisation.
This is what my father told me. I should say he was my first Guru, as he was a realised soul. He told me it is of no use talking about realities etc., because you will create another Bible or Gita. You do a practical thing. You find out 'a mass media' and I knew that was my mission. So I worked on everybody's Kundalini and tried to find out permutations, combinations, of their mistakes and why these people are like this. You will be surprised that so many people never knew that they were even in Nirvichara. They did not know that they were highly placed spirits. If they would have known, then they would not have told many things which have conditioned you. They have said, "Sach Bolo". Who is going to speak 'truth' ? They did not know what Human beings are?
They are 'Incarnations', a great people. They did not know much about the Human beings and how cunning they are or how they are all the time against each other. They could not come to the subtle human level. For that one has to have a Human self-realisation, as I now have. As such I know human beings but some things, of course, I do not understand.
When you get into the Nirvikalpa state, the Ananda starts settling in you. When you see cities, any beautiful picture or scene, immediately what you find is a great flow of Ananda coming down. This is the Grace that you are just lost into it; like the Ganges flowing over you, you are completely drowned into it. Your consciousness becomes Anand.
In reality you come to know that till now we have never known there is a 'Sarvavyapi Shakti' but now we are aware of the same. We can feel it coming in our fingers This is the Reality. There is Chaitanya all around us, which thinks, which understands, organises and loves us. All this you come to know the knowledge part of it. Then the Anand which is the Hridaya starts emitting it. Later on what you get is Vilaya into Ananda. At that stage complete Selfrealisation takes place. At that stage you can control the sun, you can control the moon, you can control every element.
Beyond that there is God's Realisation. There are three stages to that also, but just now I have told about this. 'Sat-Chit-Anand' state. The 'God's Realisation' is the stage which, Gautam Buddha and Mahavira only had achieved and settled down in our brain. Christ is also here. These two are not incarnations. They are born as Human beings. They were born to Sita, as Lava and Kusha. Then they were born as Buddha and Mahavira and 'Adishakti' was their Mother once again. Later on they were born to 'Fatimabi' as Hasan and Husain.
They are the two milestones you have got, by which you can know to what height a human being can rise. Now today they are like incarnations. There are other styles of personalities like Chiranjivas, Bhairava, Ganesha. There are all incarnations. Hanumana later on appeared as 'Gabriel the Angel'. 'Bhairavnath' came as Saint Michael. The names are different, but they are the same personalities. Devi has also incarnated. There is no doubt about it. The scientist will not understand this but a Sahaja Yogi can. Because they can immediately feel their vibrations and can ask questions. You can ask questions about me also and you will get the vibrations. For that at least your Deities have to rise and say 'Yes'. You may or you may not get 'Realisation' but the answer you will definitely get. May God bless you.
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